Learning to use Plain and Simple English (PSE)


Can we and our buddies understand or 'draw a picture of' what we 'see, hear or say'?

Learning to use Plain and Simple English (PSE).

We have been for some weeks learning words and we put words together to construct simple sentences. See
Learning to learn Plain and Simple English (PSE).
http://www.gotoknow.org/blogs/posts/470136

We see 'the pattern' of our learning process.

  repeat { 
      /* this process over and over again */
        - get new words
        - play with new words (in games)
        - put new words into boxes (nouns, verbs,...)
        - use new words in simple English sentences
        - work out new 'patterns'
        --- add 'rules' as we go
        - construct simple English sentences
        --- check if output is 'good for use'
         } until we 'succeed' or we 'run out of time'

So, our PSE learning is more like computational (English) learning.

   We learn (English) by experiencing it.
   We learn to construct (output) patterns (in English) from (input) words. 
   We learn a process for learning (Plain and Simple English).

In
8 - Counting, Numbers and Arithmatics (PSE)
http://www.gotoknow.org/blogs/posts/470329

9 - Big, Bad, Loud, Rude and Red (PSE)
http://www.gotoknow.org/blogs/posts/470669

10 - Again, we often say more (PSE)
http://www.gotoknow.org/blogs/posts/470887

11 - In, At, On, Under and Near (PSE)
http://www.gotoknow.org/blogs/posts/471039

12 - How we do 2 things at once (PSE)
http://www.gotoknow.org/blogs/posts/471088

We added more words into boxes of words and learned to construct more simple sentences. We asked 'how to check if our constructed output is good'. (Can we and our buddies understand or 'draw a picture of' what we 'see, hear or say'?) Then in

 
13 - When: simple Time control (PSE)
http://www.gotoknow.org/blogs/posts/471375

we learned to play with (simple) Time (signals). We are warned that we must know Time and must read and give correct time signals, even in Plain and Simple English.

We have repeated our 'look, listen and speak' learning process one more round. We have collected more objects (words, sentences, time signals).

In our next round (if you and I are still around), we will extend our learning process to deal with objects like 'Q&A', 'belief' and 'uncertainty' and more ...

What more do we want from life? ;-)

หมายเลขบันทึก: 471485เขียนเมื่อ 16 ธันวาคม 2011 11:37 น. ()แก้ไขเมื่อ 5 มิถุนายน 2012 13:45 น. ()สัญญาอนุญาต: ครีเอทีฟคอมมอนส์แบบ แสดงที่มา-ไม่ใช้เพื่อการค้า-อนุญาตแบบเดียวกันจำนวนที่อ่านจำนวนที่อ่าน:


ความเห็น (9)

Thank you for your analysis and useful feedback.

I don't know about James Asher's work and his method.

'My' PSE approach is derived from my understanding of Buddhist concepts (ariyasacca, khandha,...) and my own experience.

I can't comment on the value of (my) PSE approach on someone who would rather do something else.

Will PSE approach help any EFL (English as a Foreign Language) learner? I have no control-experiment data so I can only say 'I believe it can'.

On your clock analogy, I must have not been very clear about my view that 'pattern recognition' is a necessary skill to learn anything. I believe if we can't recognize 'patterns', we can't tell the differences among things thus we can't learn 'other' things.

Computational methods are based algorithmic processes. I present my [PSE] learning method as an 'adaptive iteration' (or in programming, 'loop'). In the first iteration, we deal with 'words' as input objects to be classified, input words are processed to produce simple sentences (or objects of communication) as output. In the second iteration, we extend/adapt the algorithm to cover more cases (varieties of input and output) and to include a quality control feedback. More refinements will be offered in the next iterations. Note that we also use memory storage (we call 'boxes') to accumulate our 'knowledge' of input, how we assemble words, and how we validate 'output'.

I don't know enough about how brain works. I do not claim that brain works in algorithmic manners. I do suggest that we can learn in an algorithmic way, repeating, extending, adapting and improving as we go.

As for SLA ('Second Language Acquisition' in our context

not 'Sri Lankan Army') theories, indeed where do they go?

Why don't they work and stay to help Thai students?

Reasons for calling the product of this algorithm 'Plain and Simple English' read like commercials for other commercial products. I will explain in later iteration. For now PSE is just a label on a sketch that we will progressively add in more details and more layers.

Thank you again. I am pleased to have received a scholar review. Now, I can claim that my blog is read by scholars!

But frankly, I would rather be asked to join in a roadside food-stall excursion or to play cricket in a backyard. We all need good buddies, these days.

Sound interesting for English Learning, So cool! Many Thanks ka :)

Khun Poo,

Thank you for kind support.

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Mr Sarath,

Thanks for your time to comment and your concerns for Thai Children.

I am telling a story (of PSE) with considerations on 'lobha', 'dosa' or 'moha'. What I do (with PSE) in my mind is 'kusala'.

We can talk about checking all possibilities before taking a step to make sure we walk on a well-trodden path (traveled by 'giants' before us)... till the cows come home.

A baby has no qualm about standing up and walking on in transition from 4-footed drive to 2-footed drive. I can't remember using any theories when I was a baby but perhaps I looked and tried to copy what I saw. I however would not tell any baby "you can't do that (before you have a proof that you can)".

I wonder if we need to read the book before we go and see a movie to understand what the movie is about. We may like (and learn something from) the movie. We may talk about the scenes, the settings, the storyline, the moral, the shocking language,...

We may like to sit back, have some popped corns, and watch...

Mr Sarath

We have spent a lot of time and energy on a subject which may be best called "the Cathedral and the Bazaar"(CatB, Eric S. Raymond).

I remind all readers: the content of Plain ad Simple English (PSE) is in a blog (not an academic journal) "Learners' Web", under "การศึกษานอกระบบ การศึกษาตามอัธยาศัย" and the cover story is under "วิทยาศาสตร์ เทคโนโลยี" (because of PSE's algorithmic "learning" iterations) of gotoknow.org.

PSE is like other 'free software', it comes with this 'standard' disclaimer: (SOFTWARE PRODUCT=PSE, THE PROVIDER=sr @sundarekas)

This SOFTWARE PRODUCT is provided by THE PROVIDER "as is" and "with all faults." THE PROVIDER makes no representations or warranties of any kind concerning the safety, suitability, lack of viruses, inaccuracies, typographical errors, or other harmful components of this SOFTWARE PRODUCT. There are inherent dangers in the use of any software, and you are solely responsible for determining whether this SOFTWARE PRODUCT is compatible with your equipment and other software installed on your equipment. You are also solely responsible for the protection of your equipment and backup of your data, and THE PROVIDER will not be liable for any damages you may suffer in connection with using, modifying, or distributing this SOFTWARE PRODUCT.

(taken from: www.deq.louisiana.gov)

Readers wishing to receive formal qualifications or warranties, are advised to consult your nearest institute or university.

I think I am being flooded by negativity.

I will go and have a cold shower ;-)

มาอ่านเอาความรู้ค่ะ เพลินแต่เหนื่อย

เพราะเหตุนี้ ดิฉันถึงรักภาษาไทยที่สุดในโลกเลย 

ภาษาไทยยากกว่าภาษาอังกฤษ(ความคิดเห็นส่วนตัว)

แต่เราเป็นคนไทย เกิดที่ไทย เรียนรู้โดยและจากธรรมชาติ จึงดีใจที่เรียนรู้ได้โดยอัตโนมัีติ

 

มีเพื่อนเป็นชาวต่างชาติที่แต่งงานกับสาวไทยสองสามคน เขาบอกว่า ภาษาไทยยาก ยาก และยาก 

แกล้งเขาค่ะ เช่นสอนให้พูด "ใคร ใคร่ค้า ค้า"

เพราะเขาชอบหัวเราะเรากับ Fish is in the sea. Ship is sailing over the sea. Fish and chip is simply meal for me. Sheep is in the field.

ขนาดประโยคง่าย ๆ นะคะ ออกเสียงไม่ได้ค่ะ

Thank you ภูสุภา for your kind comment and sharing this:

Fish is in the sea.

Ship is sailing over the sea.

Fish and chip is simply meal for me.

Sheep is in the field.

Our Thai language has a lot of room to play around ('Trojan horse', double meaning, musical replay, context transform, ...). I too am glad to have experienced and enjoyed some of the Thai language intricacies. Our culture is based much on the mind.

English will be a common language for ASEAN.

English will be used in government, trade, education, ...

We look forward to a (not too far) future day, when our teachers, engineers, nurses, doctors, craftspersons, ... work alongside their peers in ASEAN and the world as equal partners. Our Thai professionals are not lacking in technical skills or experiences but we have not enough opportunities to present our skills in wider arenas.

Our children will be Thais but they will be able to travel the world for new friends and opportunities. They will carry and communicate our unique and beautiful culture to others -- using a common language tool like English.

What would we rather do when we stand proud as one citizen of the world? We will sit on a wooden floor and talk --yep, in Thai.

Happy New Year 2555.

This is one of the best discussions I've ever read in GotoKnow. We don't have to agree on the issue but we can always exchange ideas. Thank you both Khun srIco48and Arjarn Sarath Ico48 for this.

Happy New Year โอ๋-อโณ http://www.gotoknow.org/profiles/users/panothai

We are all the same --we are different-- ;-)

Our differences sometimes make the world richer.

We can use differences to reflect on ourselves and learn more.

Some differences provide resistance for us to become stronger.

Some different view points/believes lead to different "kamma' and different 'world'.

Happiness is to appreciate the value of differences.

For more information on PSE iterative learning approach, please see

Belief: Is Learning (a kind of) Believing? (PSE)

http://www.gotoknow.org/blogs/posts/473288

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