Who built Angkor Wat? (ใครสร้างนครวัด)


historical facts sometimes are hard to swallow. We should learn from it constructively in order to not repeating its past cruelty in our present time.

หมายเหตุ: ข้างล่างนี้ผมใช้ภาษาประกิดอันกระท่อนแท่น เขียนไปหาเพื่อนฝรั่ง พยายามอธิบายสิ่งที่ผมพบเห็นเรื่อง ขอม สยาม เขมร ..ทำหน้าที่คนไทยผู้ "คลั่งชาติ" เท่าที่ศักยภาพอำนวย..อิอิ

 

The killing field in a sweet-melon plantation

 

 

A most mysterious event in World’s history is the disappearance of the Varman Dynasty from a greatest Khmer empire at Angkor, nowadays in  Cambodia. Many theories for its destruction have been proposed -- ranging from warfare, famine, disease and environmental deterioration. Here, I will propose new theories:

  • The Varman dynasty was abolished by a slave revolt
  • The Varman and their people, the ancient Khmer, were referred to by the local people (mostly slaves) at Angkor back then as Siamese.
  • When the local people were successful in killing/expelling the Siamese off Angkor they re-named the city as Siamreap, meaning Extinction of Siamese.
  • The Varman relatives fled Angkor to establish Sri Ayodhaya, which later became the capital of the kingdom of Siam.

 

I will try to support the proposed theories with evidences, reasons, historical contexts as well as common senses.

 

1)      The Varman dynasty had been ruling the magnificent Angkor Empire for around 500 years (since around 900 AD.) but it had disappeared abruptly in 1336 AD.

2)      The new king after that was  “Trosok Pream”  which in Cambodian means “sweet melon.” The  traditional suffix  “Varman” has never appeared in Cambodian kings’ names again ever since.

 

3)      A most accepted theory for the disappearance of Angkor has been that of its  sacking by the invading Siamese Army. Little is known that the spiritual destruction of Angkor had preceded its physical destruction long before that -- and it began in  1336 AD. , the year of the killing field in a sweet melon plantation.  This article will propose a new theory and will propose further that Cambodians are not the same group of people as the ancient Khmer who built Angkor.

 

4)      According to the first Chronicle of Cambodia, authored by one of the greatest kings of Cambodia “Nak-Ang-Eng” or Narairacha III   (around 1800 AD) --purely Cambodian in his conduct –without as yet any influence of France--Cambodia’s ancestors are this King Sweet-Melon and his son named Nippean-bot.

 

 

5)      King Sweet-Melon, according to the Chronicle, was formerly a farmer in the royal palace. He grew such a sweet melon that the king gave him a sacred spear in order to fend off thieves who might come to steal the precious melon. One night, the king had been so craving for the melon that he walked onto the melon field to pick one for himself. Mr. Sweet-melon mistook the king for a thief and speared him to death. After that, he took the princess as his wife and ascended the throne.

 

6)      Later Chronicles that were influenced by the ruling French Colony had extended the Cambodian origin up to that of the Varman itself, the Varman whom the Cambodian legendary forefather had erased from the face of Angkor’s history. The extensions were of interest to the French colonialism which was expanding to take more and more territory from Siam, by claiming that these lands were historically linked to the Khmer-Varman empire.

 

7)      Meanwhile sometime later than 1336 AD. at SriAyodhya, along the rim of the Chaophraya river in nowadays Thailand, King U-thong had been busying building his capital from scratches.   This city would later become one of the greatest cities on earth, superseding Angkor and even Paris and London, at least in terms of numbers of population.

8)      There had been numerous theories proposing the origin of this legendary King of nowadays Thailand. Among others are: He was a son of a Chinese Emperor, He was a rich Chinese merchant from Petchaburi province (Van Vlit’s Chronicles), He was a son of a king from ChiangSaen,  A Sultan from Malaya, etc. In this article I am proposing yet another theory that: He was the leader of the Siamese people who were fleeing the “killing field” at Angkor. The killing field ensued from a revolt by the slaves who formed a huge majority at Angkor. And the leader of the slaves was Trosok Pream.

 

9)      The city of Angkor has long been referred to by the Cambodians as “Seamreab”, meaning “annihilation of the Siamese people”. (Seam = siam, reab = flat, no more in existence) This insult ironically and indirectly becomes a strong evidence that the Siamese must have once heavily populated Angkor. ..they were killed and/or expelled away by the dominant slaves in 1336 AD., led by King Sweet Melon, in accordance with the 1st Cambodian Chronicle.

 

 

10)  According to the record of the now-famous Zhou Da Guan, a China’s commercial envoy member, in 1296 AD., only 40 year before the killing field incident, the city of Angkor was dominated by “slaves”. ......“Most families have more than 100 slaves, some have 20, only the poorest families have none”  , he wrote.  It is not hard to estimate then that,  out of about  1 million population of Angkor, 7 out of 10 were slaves. The rest of them were the King and his royal families, nobles, officials and their families, soldiers and their families, priests, Chinese merchants.

 

11)  SriAyodhya was completed in 1350 AD., 14 years after the killing field incident. This was a very reasonable time span to build a city to accommodate around 2-300 thousand population. (This number was estimated by numerous scholars from various historical evidences and in my opinion is credible on historical contexts, for example in 1352 AD., only 2 years afterward, U-thong invaded Angkor; he must have had a large population base to form his army to fight the huge Cambodian army back then.)

 

 

12)  The most relevant question to be asked is that: where did these 2-300 thousands come from? The most popular theory which held that they migrated from the nearby  city of U-thong has now proved to be flawed since the city had been voided  2-300 hundred years before that.  Even if so,  U-thong city would have been too small to accommodate 300,000 population. In fact there was no other cities in the vicinity of 300 kilometers of SriAyodhya to have such number of population,  except Angkor.

 

13)  Zhou Da Guan writes further that the local people speak a  “different language” from those of officials and scholars; ...their skins are very dark but you can find people whose skins are as white as jade among the nobles; ...they don’t know how to produce silk; ..nor do they know how to stitch and darn with a needle and thread.

 

 

 

14)  Let’s pause and think -- How could the majority of people who did not know how to weave elaborated clothing with a loom, did not know how to stitch and darn with a needle and thread, would know how to dig, move and carve  immense stones to erect the magnificent Angkor? The only logical answer is that the stone temple of Angkor was designed and managed by another tribe of people who held  more advanced technology. And within the vicinity around Angkor there were only the Chamese and the Siamese.

 

15)   Given that the Chamese were traditional enemy and that Angkor Wat, Bapuan, Bayon were built in the same style as Phimai castle in Phimai which was completed some 50 years before Angkor.  I am now proposing a new theory that:  the people who conceived, designed and managed all the building of the stone temples of Angkor was the  Siamese from Phimai (who had been blamed by most western scholars as, ironically, the one who demolished  the greatness of Angkor.)

 

 

 

16)  But these Siamese then were not totally the same people as the present day Thai. In fact they were referred to by the northern Thais as Khom.  But apparently the Cambodian people of Ankor back then called them by the name of Siam (pronounced  as seam in single syllable).

 

 

17)  Zhou Da Guan, continued on his record: “The Siamese women did know how to weave silk with loom as well as stitch and darn with a needle. They brought silk worms and mulberry trees from the land of Siam.”

 

18)  The Siamese had not been well known to be keen on mercantilism . But why did they appear at Angkor in such a number, so many so  that Zhou had noticed their weaving ability?  The answer is perhaps that  they went there to accompany their families who were the ruling elites of Angkor, officials, scholars, soldiers and perhaps even some merchants. Some of them were also ‘as white as jade’ since the Siamese, then as is now, were of mixed races.

 

19)  The connections of the ruling elites at Angkor and the Siamese are numerous, indicating that Lopburi, Pimai and Angkor were related not only by interests but also by blood.  To mention just a few:

19.1    Suryavarman I  is believed to be a Buddhist . Where did he get Buddhism idea from, other than Phimai? His origin was unknown either. But he had fought hard in battle for some years for the throne.  It is very possible that Phimai, a predominantly Buddhist culture, sent an armed forces to establish him as a buddhist king? That was why he built Phimai castle at Pimai, not at Angkor.

19.2    Chayavarman VI is now widely accepted as coming from the Korat plateau’s city of Pimai. He built a 220 kilometer super-highway which linked Pimai and Angkor. He also finished the building of Pimai stone temple which was initiated by S-I.

19.3     Most important thing in connection with C-6 is that he claimed to have descended  from his mythical father named “Kambhu Svayambhuva” and a mother named “Mera.”  These two words, one was his first name and the second was his second name, had perhaps been transformed into two of the most confusing words, namely, those of Kambhuja and Syam (Siam)

19.4     Svayambhuva,  was in fact another name for Bhraman. Morever this name had appeared in Pallava, Sanskrit, Pali -stone inscriptions all over the “Land Zhenla”  area from wat Pu to Ubonrajatani to Srithep since about the 6th AD. I am thus inclined to believe that C-6 had ascended the  throne with the help of Pimai’s army. Phimai troops must have remained in Angkor for a long time to assure stability, so much so that families members from Pimai came to accompany them, bringing silk weaving technology along with them (Pimai has been famous for her supreme silk weaving technology even nowadays.) To accommodate the extreme hardship of family migrations then C-6 ordered the building of the super-highway. The Pimai soldiers and their families were then honorably referred to by the local people as the “Swayam” (descendants of Swayambhuva) which later shortened to  “Syam” and later as “Seam” to suit the tongues of the local Cambodians.

19.5     Some analyst even conclude that C-6 spent most of his time at Pimai, not at Angkor.

19.6    Suryavarman II is  believed to have come from Lopburi. His name and suffix  “II” indicates some relations to S-I, hence Phimai. The fact that he is the only Varman king to worship Vishnu rather than Shiva is still a puzzle to historians. IMO this, too,  could  be linked to the influence of Lopburi’s and Phimai’s Buddhism. S-I had testified before him that Buddhism would not work out well in the predominantly hindu society, so S-II learned from S-I’s mistakes and employed a new subtle tactic. One should realize that  the Buddha was also believed by the Hindu to be the 9th reincarnation of  Vishnu. So by adopting Vishnu S-II could win over the minds of both beliefs and that was what making him one of Angkor’s greatest kings, second perhaps only to Chayavarman VII.

 

 

20)  Here comes accounts of the greatest king of them all—Chayavarman VII. Inscriptions about his origin were vague. Some speculated that he spent his early life in Champa; but I beg to be different for I think that he was from Pimai. The evidences for this are numerous, mostly contextual:

20.1He came from nowhere to expel away the Cham invaders who had occupied Angkor for 4 years.  Had he come from Champa, where would he recruit his huge army to recapture Angkor in 4 years?; from the Cham itself?

20.2Only logical answer is : he came from Pimai. As in the case of C-6, Pimai , again,  helped him to expel Champa , most likely with support from Lopburi, as is evident by the  bas relief on Angkor walls, depicting Lopburi and “Syam Kuk” soldiers side by side.

20.3Do not forget also that C6, S2 and C7 are linked by blood through the Mahendhrapura dynasty and that the founder is C6 who was from Phimai.

20.4 C-7 became a most devout Buddhist. Whose influence was that?, Champa? No way. Because Champa’s culture  back then was dominantly hinduistic with some initial Islamic influences.  It was impossible for C-7 to have been nurtured in such environments and later became a devout Buddhist.

20.5 After his ascent to greatness, he rewarded Phimai with a renovation of the super-highway, several hundreds of mini-hospitals and rest areas (arokaya-sala) were erected along the highway. His stone monuments were found deep under grounds, not surprisingly in both Angkor and Pimai. These renovations were to facilitate more migration of the Svayamese from Pimai to reunite with their relatives (soldiers, officers, nobles) in Angkor.

20.6 All of the mentioned evidences point to the fact that C-7 was from Pimai. He was also a grand son of the great forefather “Svayam”.  

 

21)   One of the most amazing thing that have been hitherto looked over  is that the Cambodian people today still count their numbers the same way as recorded by Zhou Da Guan: They count only to 5.  For 6 they pronounce it as 5-1, 7 as 5-2 and so on.  Counting system and its pronunciation, in my opinion, is the strongest evidence of a cultural linkage. The fact that the ancient Varman and the U-thong people of Ayodhaya used the same counting system and the alphabets from 1-10 were exactly the same, based on a base 10 numerals, at least confirms that they were of different tribes from the Cambodian.

 

22)  The Dhevaraja (God-King) concept is the most prominent feature of the Varman dynasty. King  Sweet-Melon , being ascended from a slave class by killing off the Varman, certainly wouldn’t dare claim to be one of  such a highly prestigious origin. Turning a crisis into an opportunity, he established himself as a new truly Cambodian king who is “in touch” with the people. That was why he was highly regarded as the legendary forefather of the Cambodia race, as later chronicled by King Nag-Ong-Eng.

 

 

23)  The dhevaraja traditions, however, had been long rooted in Khmer culture and should not be as  easily abolished by a mere spearing of a Varman king. Its seed  had been brought to and  sprouted again  at SriAyodhya. The royal name for King U-Thong is  “Rama-I” who was “King of Ayodhya”.  According to the Ramayana Epic of India, Rama was none other than the 8th reincarnation of Vishnu, a mythical king of a mythical heavenly city named Ayodhya.

 

 

24)  Raja-supth (The royal language) is required for any Thai to address their King. This tradition has not been changed much since the time of early SriAyodhya. The language is very refined: mostly a mixture of Sanskrit and Khom (ancient Khmer ). This is another strong evidence that king U-Thong was from Angkor. He was a Khom (ancient khmer), what other languages would we expect him to speak to his people? So he spoke Khom to them. Later, the language was used by the court as the sacred language of the dhevaraja; this was a good strategy in governing the kingdom.

 

 

25)  Early SriAyudhya literatures had been recorded with a mixture of  Thai, Khom, Pali, Sanskrit. These are evident in the books of  “Ong-karn-Chaeng-Nam”  and the “Li-lit-yuan-paii”, for examples.   These are additional evidences that the early Ayodhayians were originally from Angkor but later mixed with the affluence of the Thai- (and mon-, and laos-) speaking people and transform into the present-day Thai people.

 

26)   The first Westerner to discover the ruin of Angkor were not the French, but the Portuguese, in around 1600 AD. They recorded that the local people  testified that Angkor had been built by foreigners and the Portuguese  concluded that these foreigners were the ones who built SriAyodhya.

 

27)  The naming of the various Prasats at Angkor are very interesting for they are very Siamese; signifying that the kings who named them must have had strong links with the Siamese or perhaps the Siamese themselves.

 

  1. First of all Angkor Wat: Angkor is a variation of Nakara in Sanskrit  but Wat is simply “temple” in Siamese. Angkor Wat is then “temple city.”
  2. Angkor Thom: most scholars translate Thom as ‘big’; but I think Thom here is rather a variation of Tham, a siamese rendition of Dhamma in Pali. So Angkor Thom is really “the city of Dhamma.” It is unthinkable that a Dhammic king like C-7 who built such a magnificent city would have named his city by a ‘little’ name such as ‘big city.”  Moreover, the spelling of Thom is also exactly the same spelling of Tham in Pali.  (note that only the Siamese used Pali.)  
  3. NeakPean (NakPan in Siamese)  : It means “coiled by Naka (a mythical snake)” The shortening of Sanskrit words such as Naka into “Nak” was a typical Siamese style founded all over in their language. (Raja= Raj, Rama=Ram, Kasatriya=Kasat, Parama= Borom, etc.)
  4. PhimeanAkas: (PimanAkas in Siamese )  the word Piman was a pali rendition of Vimana in Sanskrit.  Akas was also a shortening of a formerly longer word (perhaps Akasa : thin air, heaven ). The change of V in Sanskrit to P was also unique in Siamese—a Pali influence.
  5. Prea..... (Phra... in Siamese): Here again the word Phra is uniquely very Siamese: a prefix for something sacred. This was a Siamese rendition of Vra in Sanskrit. There are so many prasarts beginning with Phra such as PreaKand, PreaPalilay, PreaRup – some are understood readily in Siamese.
  6. Ta…(Ancestor, or Eye) : such as TaProm, TaKeaw
  7. PakSiJamKrong: (Bird in cage) : Paksi is bird in Sanskrit but JamKrong is  Siamese.
  8. TepPanom (Respecting Angel):  very Siamese, especially Tep is a siamese rendition of Teva in Sanskrit. Here we have both the shortening style and the P in place of V style.
  9. ChauSayTevada (Linage of angel): all Siamese
  10. Even  Bayon might be related since Ba is Learned One in Isan-siamese and Yon is Looking. So Bayon could mean LearnedOne Looking. LearnedOne here is the Buddha whose 216 giant stone faces are Looking all over.
  11. Most names of the prasarts at Angkor wat and Angkor thom are very  related to Siamese language. Only a few are not readily discernable; like panom-bakeng, Thomanon.

 

 

There are still several more evidences in recorded history, contexts,  archaeological artifacts, arts, cultures, languages as well as plain common senses to help us to conclude that the ancient Khmer people who built the great Angkor stone temples are not of  the same tribe as the present day Cambodians (2011 AD). Quite to the opposite,  these mysterious group of people  were evidently exterminated by the revolting slaves who formed the majority in Angkor population by a margin of 7:3. I am certain that there would be many more evidences to support my proposed theory coming forth in the future as our minds are no longer blocked by a curtain of  pre-conception.

 

I am also well aware that it is difficult  to accept this new theory about Angkor’s past because the French scholastic machine, sponsored by her colonial wealth,  had planted quite a strong scholastic root that already grew so deep.

 

As to the Cambodian people I do not mean to insult their pride; but historical facts sometimes are hard to swallow. We should learn from it constructively in order to not repeating its past cruelty in our present time. 

 

...Tawit Chitsomboon (Feb. 20th , 2011)

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Quite interesting and provocative theories;

if only the sources of information had been listed for validation.

So, could you supply (or reveal) your sources?

ตอบ คห.1 ผมได้เรียนในฉบับภาษาไทยแล้วว่า ผมไม่มีเวลาทำการยกอ้าง แต่เรื่องหลายเรื่องไม่ต้องการอ้างเพราะมันเป็น fact ในตัวเองอยู่แล้ว เช่น การนับเลข พงศาวดารนักองค์เอง เสียมเรียบ หนังสือโจวตากวน ก็หาอ่านได้ครับ มีแค่ 40 หน้า เรื่อง สว.๒ มาจาก ลพบุรี ชย6 มาจากพิมาย มีสลักในจารึกครับ

Thank you for your reply,

I feel however that it is quite difficult (and not having references to see and validate 'evidence' --facts--) for 'outsiders and ignorant (like me)' to understand and support your 'new theories'.

I know time is most precious to you and to us all. But we can save time by listing sources of facts once and for all time. We can argue points 'based on evidence' and save time.

For the moment, I have no time either to look and follow your (trust-me) facts.

If and when I do, I would ask for more 'enlightment'.

Thank you again.

There are more to 'my inquiry' than mere 'academic squabbling'.

If we can point out to millions of visitors to Angkor Wat that the builders were from Siam (Pimai or Lopburi or ...),

wouldn't these visitors head west to find out more?

Isn't about time Thailand's people learn of their true history and their heritage, so they can set forth the course for the next millennium?

At present all we have are clouds of doubts, conjectures and hearsays.

Uncertainties make lives difficult.

Decisions make less uncertainties.

But, decisions should be made on 'facts' (as they available).

Let us have facts.

If you have sources of information to share, please add them here.

จุดประสงค์หลักที่ผมใช้เวลาศึกษาวิจัยประมาณ 3 ปีที่เขียนมานี้เพื่อกระตุกให้นักโบราณคดีและนักประวัติศาสตร์เอาไปคิดต่อยอด ผมเชื่อว่าพอเขาอ่านแล้วเขาคงพอเข้าใจ ส่วน lay people ผมหวังเพียงเขาจะได้จินตนาการลางๆน่ะครับ ไม่ใช่กลุ่มเป้าหมายหลัก

บทความอังกฤษนี้ผมเขียนส่งให้เพื่อนอ่าน เพราะเขาเป็นนักโบราณคดีและประวัติศาสตร์คนสำคัญของโลก เขาขุดเมืองไทยเราจนพรุนไปหมด เขียนหนังสือไว้นับสิบเล่ม

ผมเป็นนักค้นคว้าไร้ระบบ ไม่เคยจด ได้แต่จำ อ่าน ดู ฟัง แบบสุ่มๆ แล้วเอามาต่อกันเป็นภาพ จะให้ย้อนกลับไปอ้าง โอย คงต้องรอตอนผมใกล้ตาย จนไม่มีอะไรจะทำนั่นแหละครับ อิอิ แต่ผมก็คิดอยู่นะว่าสักวันถ้ามีเวลา จะย้อนมาทำ แบบว่าตกแต่งศพให้ดูดี

แต่ว่าไปแล้ว ที่ผมเขียนมาทั้งหมดนี้ 80% มัน self evident นะครับ ที่ต้องการอ้างอิงจริงๆ (ตามประสานักวิชาการฝรั่ง) นั้นเพียง 20% เท่านั้น ..โปรดอย่าให้การอ้างอิงเพียง 20% มันทำลาย Logic 80% เสียหมด แถมไอ้ 20% ที้อ้างนั้น ถ้าแหล่งอ้างอิงมันผิดล่ะครับ

เช่นการนับเลข 51 52 ของเขมรเนี่ย มันเห็นตำหู จะให้ผมไปอ้างเอกสารที่ไหนล่ะครับ

แถมหลายสิ่งที่ผมเขียนนี้มันเป็นการเชื่อมโยงครั้งแรกในโลก ไม่มีใครเห็นมาก่อน ไม่มีเอกสาร จะให้ผมอ้างอิงใครเล่าครับ เช่น ตรอซอกประเอม ฆ่าพระเจ้าชัยวรมันที่ ๙ เมื่อ คศ. 1336 แล้ว พระเจ้าอู่ทอง (อุดง) มาสร้างกรุงศรีฯเสร็จในอีก ๑๔ ปีให้หลัง ก็ไม่มีที่จะให้อ้าง

Thank you, Sir, for your reply.

I spent some time on your ขอม สยาม เขมร : ทฤษฎีใหม่.

I am with you in saying that we should/must explore possible lines of reasoning in 'writing' history.

We know that we only see 'bits and pieces' of the whole thing that also changed over time.

We best fit our 'regression lines' on those bits and pieces.

If we could validate those bits and pieces and show that your reasoning is more probable than others,

We would have a 'new history' ;-)

I am glad I found this article and I have to agree with Khun Tavich.

Most of the fact he raised such as the inconistent numeric system is "self-evidence."

You (if not biassed toward the main stream historians) can tell right away that Khom numeric is "alien" to Khmer people.

So, it means Khmer have learned such nemeric from "some one else."

And that "some one else" was called "Khom" by Thai people.

So, we can conclude that "Khom" and "Khmer"are not the same thing.

Otherwise, it wouldn't fit the logic. It's an obvious proof.

In the world where everybody believe that the world is flat, how could you find source/referece to support your theory that the world is round???

You can only show why you think the world is round. And Khun Tavich is showing us here the evidence on Khom Numeric system.

And if one don't agree with this theory, he/she should provide a proof to disprove the "fact" that Khom numeric system is "alien" to Khmers.

That would "save more time" :)

สวัสดีอาจารย์ทวิช ขอบคุณอาจารย์ที่ได้เขียนบทความดีๆ ผมดีใจที่ได้อ่านข้อเสนอทางวิชาการของอาจารย์เป็นอย่างยิ่งครับ

สวัสดีครับคุณ leepoeter ผมขออนุญาตถามว่า คุณคือคนเดียวกับ คุณ Leeporter แห่ง topix.com หรือเปล่าครับ?

พิเคราะห์จากสำนวนภาษาอังกฤษแล้ว ผมเชื่อว่าเป็นท่านเดียวกันแน่ๆ ผมเพิ่งจะได้อ่านข้อโต้แย้งของคุณ Leeporter (04-11-2554)ในกระทู้หลายๆอันของเว็บไซต์ดังกล่าว ต้องขอยกย่องเลยว่า คุณ leeporter ได้สร้างความบันเทิง (ผมอ่่่านไปขำไป นั่งอ่านตั้งแต่ตีสองจนถึงเช้าเลย โดยเฉพาะ ในกระทู้ พนมเปญ และ เขมรลอกไทย) และให้ความรู้กับผมเป็นอย่างมาก จนกระทั่งได้พยายามหาข้อมูลเพิ่มเติมจนมาพบกับทฤษฎีของอาจารย์ทวิชเนี่ยแหล่ะครับ ตอนอ่าน topix.com ในใจก็นั่งคิดว่า แหม อยากเจอท่านอาจารย์ leeporter ตัวจริงสักครั้งจริงเีชียว เขียนตอบกระทู้ได้สนุก สุภาพ และมีชั้นเชิงในการรุก และีรับอย่างหาตัวจับได้ยากนัก

จนกระทั่งมาเจอ blog นี้ แล้ว กำลังจะมั่วนิ่มถามว่าอาจารย์ทวิชรู้จักคุณ Leeporter หรือเปล่า แต่เหลือบไปเห็น คุณ leepoeter เสียก่อน หวังว่าผมคงไม่ได้เข้าใจผิดนะครับ

ขอคารวะหนึ่งจอกครับ และ ขอให้กลับไปถล่ม เ้อ้ย ให้ความรู้ชุมชมชาวเขมรผู้หลงทางอีกเรื่อยๆนะครับ โดยเฉพาะ comparative study ในด้านอื่นๆ ขอบคุณมากครับ

อาราบาล อาเมียรศัตเตรา นิยัยมินเสมาะตรอง

I would like to tell you that you shout stop the nonsense. Stop making up story from your imagination. Lopbury and Pimai were part of the Khmer empire and all the temple names were Siamese names. Ta doesn’t mean eye. It means grandfather. Nak derived from the word Nagara. As the legend of tasok pa-ame, it was fairytale probably made by Siam to weaken or disconnect Khmers from their powerful kings. Burmese have the same fairytale.

Correction: the names of the temples have nothing to with Siamese. Khmer empire covered all today’s Thailand.

The story is likely a fairy tale. There are at least three other versions—an exact parallel in the Burmese fairy tale “Princess Thudhammasari” and two variants in Cambodian history, one in the eighth and another in the 14th century. Kings of Cambodia claim descent from the gardener.[3]

Various chronicles do not agree on the dates regarding his life and reign.[4] The oldest chronicle Zatadawbon Yazawin is considered to be the most accurate for the Pagan period.[note 1] The table below lists the dates given by four main chronicles, as well as Hmannan’s dates when anchored by the Anawrahta’s inscriptionally verified accession date of 1044.

Totally agreed as I doubt why Cambodian nowadays have no how to built or restored the old historical temple and I found one research mentioned that Cambodian’s DNa are likely to be the ams as African people not Asean

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